65 thoughts on “Actual letter that intimidates pastors

  1. Remember this only applies to the endorsement of a candidate. It DOES NOT apply to referendums or other legislative issues.

  2. Barry Lynn is a big time leftist. If black church leaders were telling their congregation to vote for obama, you would not hear a peep from this guy. If religious leaders were telling their congregation not who to vote for, but support those who support the teachings of the bible, then he considers that a problem. This from a so-called man of God.

  3. He’s not a man of God. Barry is a socialist/marxist in love with himself. He thinks he IS God. If we don’t elect a decent, God-fearing man in November, the United States of America is doomed to become the United States of Islam. Do your patriotic duty and vote to take the trash out of OUR White House on November 6th.

  4. Davilyn….can they do this in practice? Yes. It is Constitutional, No matter what the SCOTUS says? ABSOLUTELY NOT! This is a clear violation of the First Amendment. It does not say, “nor prohibit the free exercise of {religion}, but you can be punished for such free exercise as the federal government sees fit.”

  5. @common sense, where does it say in this letter that black churches are speaking against or for a candidate in this letter that did NOT come from the WH, but from the IRS, you cant blame everything that happens on black people and President Obama…….I’m sure if you look this up for yourself, it has been something that has been in effect for a long time and I’ll bet you ten to one that more white churches support candidates than blacks……ijs……sont be ignorant if you do not know what you are talking about…..NO WHERE in that ENTIRE letter is race mentioned, just RELIGIOUS leaders, who to my knowledge are white, black, women, men, asian, hispanic, old, and young. so get off your high horse…..and come back to planet earth…..

    1. @Everlyn, Common Sense did not say that the letter mentioned any particular race. He said that the author of the letter (The Rev. Berry W Lynn) is someone who is prejudice for and against certain parties/ideas/issues. He was saying that The Rev. Berry W Lynn wouldn’t make a fuss after the fact, if the candidate being endorsed was a liberal democrat. This IRS law was passed because a politician didn’t like that a church was telling their congregation they shouldn’t vote for him. It was a long time ago now, yes, but it was in the twentieth century not before. The politician was mad and determined to get even with his ‘enemies’ by making it illegal for church leaders to advise people on who to vote for even though church leaders had been doing it all along, EVEN BEFORE this country was formed by our founding fathers. Up until the IRS law on this was pasted church leaders were very vocal and dedicated to telling their congregations what the Bible says and teaches on moral issues and advising said congregations on who to vote for based on those issues. Now if someone goes to the IRS and claims that this law was broken because the preacher taught on this or that and it is a moral issue that the liberals are against, that church might have the IRS come against them for breaking this law even though all they did was address a moral issue. There are strong biases in the way this law is enforced. It shouldn’t be on the books in the first place, but being there it should be enforced without bias. It is not.

    2. I live in a small town in S. Ga. and my town and all others around The black churches always has a candidate come to speak to their congregation and naturally always gets a sizeable donation from the candidate in return. I do not know of a single white church that allows this. I am not prejudice. I am not racist. I am speaking facts and I would say the same if it were true of white churches. So don’t come back with racist remarks to me.

    3. Perhaps it’s been effect for a long time. It does however specifically mention several right leaning affiliations that were audited. During a DEMOCRAT adminitstration, after their speaking out in the previous election (against President Clinton one would assume). Also it has been reported that during THIS election season, many black ministers have told their congregations to just stay home because there is no candidate worth voting for. Now this. Funny how you liberals always either fall back on “it’s been going on a long time, we didn’t start it” and “YOU’RE RACIST”.

  6. This is not the IRS writing this. It’s a man who’s practicing law without a license in the states
    to which he’s sending out the letters regardless of his denial. If it were me, I’d be forwarding these threat letters to the various Attorneys General where the letters are sent. That should keep him busy for a while.

  7. Consider the source. Many liberal leaders like Jessie Jackson ran their campaines out of churches, used church funds for printing, regestration, and transportation of voters to the polls telling them who to vote for. But to provide negetive information on liberal candidates is somehow against the “law”. But only if the candidate is a conservitive.

  8. The separation of church and State is a myth….the First Amendment is there to protect Free Speech and to protect Religion…not the government from it….If there is such a law that can fine or remove the tax exempt status of a church, then it needs to be repealed as it is unconstitutional…it is time that we realized that pastors and church members were part of the American Revolution that started this country and many a plan was hatched in the very churches that the government is now coming against. The Constitution cannot be studied separate from the Federalist Papers as “every word” that was written in the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, and the Amendments were debated and worded in such a way as to preserve the Republic for Generations to come….the First and Second Amendments were put in place as a road map to be faithfully followed to keep a people free from tyranny…..and today’s political correctness is just polite tyranny.

  9. Dude, what are you a reverend of?

    Why would a so called pastor tell other pastors to not speak up for what they believe? You evidently are in partnership with the Obama clan and are trying to get that radical Muslim re-elected. You stand for seperation of church and state, well I guess you didn’t realize that when this was implemented it was ONLY intent was that the United States would not create a state run church like the church of England. You need to get off the Obama payroll and get your head out of the sand and preach the saving Grace of Jesus Christ and stand up for what he believes NOT harass Pastors to believe how you want them to and to get them to remain quiet so Shake Obama can be re-elected. If he is re-elected he will dismantle this country from the inside out and that means your pathetic group also brother!! Wake and smell the
    camel dung, it will happen if you and your radical brothers allow him to be re-elected.

  10. Then why were Algore and Billary allowed to “preach” from the pulpits of churches, giving decidedly partisan campaign speeches?

  11. Why do the black churches (i.e., Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton) get to endorse Obama? Why does Obama go and speak at these churches, which implies support from them???

  12. What about Jeremiah Wright, did he get his tax excempt license revoked during the 2008 election? Not that I know of. Remember “G-d Da#m America, no no no, not G-d Bless America….” just as many other black churches preaching the song for the black Messiah, he promoted his gay deciple every week. He mentioned Hillary in his sermons as well. Double standards, hm? What about the Mosque leaders, did those letters go the Imams? I doubt it.

  13. Please read a comprehensive article that describes the regulation and how it is being challenged by many pastors. The Left has been ignoring this for years. The letter does not come from the IRS but from an Anti-Church Leftist organization. It’s time we acted like Breitbart and stood up to the bullies and their intimidation. http://www.theblaze.com/stories/pastors-unite-against-irs-to-deliver-pulpit-freedom-sunday-political-sermons-poll/

  14. According to this you can’t do it at the Church. It say’s nothing about holding a picnic inviting the congregation and doing it there.

  15. It is a double standard. They allow Black Churches to get a pass on this legislation at the IRS. But it is time to claim our FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHTS that this legislation seeks to steal away. Pres. Johnson pushed this legislation, and it is not constitutional! It will not pass the test in our courts in the coming months. Keep your eyes open, and insist your pastors speak out against the injustice in Washington today.

  16. It’s funny, the IRS never goes after any Black Churches when they endorse anyone?? That’s all some Black Churches do is talk politics. Yet, the IRS is never threatening them??

  17. What this idiot doesn’t tell is that for 15 years before the Declaration of Independence pastors from across the colonies preached the very issues listed in the Declaration. Were it not for pastors speaking out, we might have never become free and independent from England. He is not the law, and he would have no pastor ever speak against corruption in government, moral issues such as same sex marriage and abortion. Germany began to forbid the pastors from preaching against the government and arrested, imprisioned and martyred such men ad Dietrich Bonhoffer. His book, “Cost of Discipleship” would be a good reference to such treason of Obama, his Chicago mob and the Reverend Barry Lynn.

  18. No they cannot do this and this guy is from some fake organization. The law applies to non profits and does not apply to churches. The IRS does not go after churches. Pastors send in tapes of political sermons annually for the last couple years and have never heard from the IRS

  19. This sounds something like Hitler. Just saying,you figure it out. Hopefully before it’s too late and we become all Muslums and not by choice.

  20. A true believer in Jesus Christ doesn’t have to be told who to vote for. They know how to think on their own. Barry Lynn obviously didn’t get the memo. We all need to say a prayer for this poor fellow…

  21. Everlynn, you are either seriously misinformed or lying. Come ON – Jesse Jackson, Bill Clinton, and yes, Barack Obama have preached openly political messages MANY times in Black Congregations, and right here in Chicago, where I live, Black preachers ROUTINELY preach Democrat-supporting messages from their puplits & urge their congregations to go out & vote for the Liberal Democrat. Well-known Leftist Catholic Priest Fr. Michael Flager here in Chicago was openly campaigning for Obama from the pulpit – not once, MANY times. I don’t know of ANY White churches doing this – the Catholic Church has spoken out against POLICIES (such as abortion & birth control), but not individual candidates (I’m not Catholic, but have friends who are). You are factually just DEAD WRONG…

  22. The Black churches have all but called Obama the Son of God behind the pulpits of their churches 4 years ago, and even now again. Let’s see how many of them faced IRS or other government sanctions….not a one! Double standard again!

  23. 501(c)(3) Churches: Caesar Got Your Tongue, Government Hush-Money
    by exministries
    Most churches in America are organized as 501c3 tax-exempt religious organizations.’ This is a fairly recent trend that has only been going on for about fifty years. Churches were only added to section 501c3 of the tax code in 1954. We can thank then Senator Lyndon B. Johnson for that. Johnson was no ally of the church.
    As part of his political agenda, Johnson had it in mind to silence the church and eliminate the significant influence the church had always had on shaping ‘public policy. undefinedAlthough Johnson proffered this as a ‘favor’ to churches, the favor also came with strings attached (more like shackles). One need not look far to see the devastating effects 501c3 acceptance has had to the church, and the consequent restrictions placed upon any 501c3 church.
    501c3 churches are prohibited from addressing, in any tangible way, the vital issues of the day. For a 501c3 church to openly speak out, or organize in opposition to, anything that the government declares ‘legal,’ even if it is immoral (e.g. abortion, homosexuality, same sex marriages, etc.), that church will jeopardize its tax exempt status. The 501c3 has had a ‘chilling effect’ upon the free speech rights of the church. LBJ was a shrewd and cunning politician who seemed to well-appreciate how easily many of the clergy would sell out.” Peter Kershaw, In Ceasar’s Grip.

    Before we go any further with this issue, it is important to view the BIG picture. Without the LARGER view, there will only be confusion. It was not just President Lyndon Johnson who wanted to eliminate the church’s impact on society. Lyndon Baines Johnson was Jewish, something few people knew then or know now. He was a crypto-Jew, meaning a Jew who masquerades as a “Gentile” allowing him to accomplish the Jewish agenda without being detected. (editors note: This is not in reference to all Jews)
    The Jewish cabal known as the New World Order/ Illuminati/Zionist/Communist/One World Government has as its goal the following: the elimination of ALL religions and ALL governments. LBJ, as an international Jew and traitor to America and to his office as President, was just furthering the progress toward these sinister goals.
    Did the church ever need to seek permission from the government to be exempt from taxes? Were churches prior to 1954 taxable? No, churches have never been taxable. To be taxable a church would first need to be under the jurisdiction, and therefore under the taxing authority, of the government. The First Amendment clearly places the church outside the jurisdiction of the civil government: Congress shall make NO LAW respecting an establishment of religion, nor prohibiting the free exercise thereof.’
    Religion cannot be free if you have to pay the government, through taxation, to exercise it. Since churches aren’t taxable in the first place, why do so many of them go to the IRS and seek permission to be tax-exempt? It occurs out of:
    · Ignorance (“We didn’t know any better”)
    · Bandwagon logic (“Everyone else is doing it “)
    · Professional advice (many attorneys and CPAs recommend it)
    Does the law require, or even encourage, a church to organize as a 501c3? To answer that question let’s turn to what the IRS itself has to say.

    Churches Need Not Apply
    In order to be considered for tax-exempt status by the IRS, an organization must fill out and submit IRS Form 1023 and 1024. However, note what the IRS says regarding churches and church ministries, in Publication 557
    Some organizations are not required to file Form 1023.

    These include:
    Churches, interchurch organizations of local units of a church, conventions or associations of churches, or integrated auxiliaries of a church, such as a men’s or women’s organization, religious school, mission society, or youth group. These organizations are exempt automatically if they meet the requirements of section 501(c)(3).
    Churches are “Automatically Tax-Exempt”
    According to IRS Code 508(c)(1)(A):
    Special rules with respect to section 501c3 organizations.

    (a) New organizations must notify secretary that they are applying for recognition of section 105c3 status.
    (c) Exceptions
    (1) Mandatory exceptions. Subsections (a) and (b) shall not apply to –
    (A) churches, their integrated auxiliaries, and conventions or associations of churches.
    This is referred to as the “mandatory exception” rule. Thus, we see from the IRS’ own publications, and the tax code, that it is completely unnecessary for any church to apply for tax-exempt status. In the IRS’ own words, a church “is automatically tax-exempt.”

    Churches Are Automatically Tax-Deductible
    And what about tax-deductibility? Doesn’t a church still need to become a 501c3 so that contributions to it can be taken as a tax deduction? The answer is No! According to IRS Publication 526:
    Organizations That Qualify To Receive Deductible Contributions:
    You can deduct your contributions only if you make them to a qualified organization. To become a qualified organization, most organizations other than churches and governments, as described below, must apply to the IRS.
    In the IRS’ own words a church “is automatically tax-deductible
    Churches Have a Mandatory Exception To Filing Tax Returns
    Not only is it completely unnecessary for any church to seek 501c3 status, to do so becomes a grant of jurisdiction to the IRS by any church that obtains that State favor. In the words of Steve Nestor, IRS Senior Revenue Officer (ret):“I am not the only IRS employee who’s wondered why churches go to the government and seek permission to be exempted from a tax they didn’t owe to begin with, and to seek a tax deductible status that they’ve always had anyway. Many of us have marveled at how church leaders want to be regulated and controlled by an agency of government that most Americans have prayed would just get out of their lives. Churches are in an amazingly unique position, but they don’t seem to know or appreciate the implications of what it would mean to be free
    of government control.” From ”In Caesar’s Grip”, by Peter Kershaw.

    501c3 Problems
    In Bob Jones University v. United States (461 U.S. 574), the U.S. Supreme Court noted the following about the government’s intended purpose for the 501c3:

    The Court asserts that an exempt organization (one that has become a 501c3) must “demonstrably serve and be in harmony with the public interest,” must have a purpose that comports with “the common community conscience,” and must not act in a manner “affirmatively at odds with the declared position of the whole Government.” Taken together, these passages suggest that the primary function of a tax-exempt organization is to act on behalf of the Government in carrying out governmentally approved policies.

    When a church accepts the 501c3 status, that church:
    · Waives its freedom of speech
    · Waives its freedom of religion
    · Waives its right to influence legislators and the legislation they craft.
    · Waives its constitutionally guaranteed rights.
    · Is no longer free to speak to the vital issues of the day.
    · It’s controlled with fear, if it doesn’t following IRS guidelines it will lose its tax-exempt status.
    · Becomes a State-Church.
    One need not look far to see that the church’s acceptance of the 501c3, and its significant restrictions, has had devastating consequences to not only the church, but to the entire nation.

  24. I know this is hostile territory but we were reminded of this same restriction and I participate in a fairly liberal church. I know that won’t make a difference to those who want to see what they want to see but there you have it. Frankly, I am not a fan of when churches get too political on either side. Especially when political is really only about issues like abortion and gay marriage, but I have had issues with it even for causes I am more likely to agree with. These conversations contribute to generating fear and dividing this country and I think it is a shame. I think a community can get hijacked very easily and lose sight of being a place to reaffirm and renew the messages of faith. People who attend church, IMO, are usually trying to be good people regardless of whether it is a left or right leaning congregation. It’s how we are asked to feel about those other churches/candidates etc that is disappointing…

  25. Listen Up!! The IRS is trying to cow the religious leaders to stay with the program. They DO NOT, I repeat, DO NOT want to get into a court battle over this issue because they know the IRS will lose big time, and this separation or church and state crap will be exposed for what it is…A BIG LIE!! Our church leaders need to push back and do what they know is right. This will end up as a Supreme Court case over first amendment rights and the IRS doe NOT want to have this handed to them in their laps. This needs to done in order to turn our country around and start to return its roots.

  26. “Actual letter that intimidates pastors” If you are a pastor and this letter intimidates you….you should resign. Also, political candidates will not save America. Only Jesus can do that. Don’t worry about preaching politics; preach Jesus.

  27. If anyone has ever studied history, this is exactly what the USSR did to the Russian Orthodox church, what the Ottoman empire did to Greek Orthodox Church. Systematically destroyed them, murdered their priests, did not allow them to congregate and worship their faith freely. Only secretly were these religions allowed to survive
    History repeats itself.

  28. So, maybe the time is coming, and has now come, for churches and ministries/organizations to make a choice. Which is more important, tax exemptions or the freedom to be whom God says we’re to be… in this case, to speak truth – even when unpopular.

  29. Doesnt say anything about pointing out how Godless anti-Christian one of the candidates and at least half his party is……. Need not endorse anyone to do that and get the same result.

  30. This is what happens when religious leaders apply for tax exempt status under the 501c3 statue. However, within that same code is the following: Churches Need Not Apply

    In order to be considered for tax-exempt status by the IRS an organization must fill out and submit IRS Form 1023 and 1024. However, note what the IRS says regarding churches and church ministries, in Publication 557:Some organizations are not required to file Form 1023. These include: Churches, interchurch organizations of local units of a church, conventions or associations of churches, or integrated auxiliaries of a church, such as a men’s or women’s organization, religious school, mission society, or youth group. These organizations are exempt
    automatically if they meet the requirements of section 501(c)(3).

    Churches Are “Automatically Tax-Exempt”
    According to IRS Code § 508(c)(1)(A): Special rules with respect to section 501(c)(3) organizations.
    (a) New organizations must notify secretary that they are applying for
    recognition of section 501(c)(3) status.
    (c) Exceptions.
    (1) Mandatory exceptions. Subsections (a) and (b) shall not apply to—
    (A) churches, their integrated auxiliaries, and conventions or
    associations of churches.

    This is referred to as the “mandatory exception” rule. Thus, we see from the IRS’ own publications, and the tax code, that it is completely unnecessary for any church to apply for tax-exempt status. In the IRS’ own words a church “is automatically tax-exempt.”

    Churches Are “Automatically Tax-Deductible”

    And what about tax-deductibility? Doesn’t a church still need to become a 501c3 so that contributions to it can be taken as a tax deduction? The answer is no! According to IRS Publication 526: Organizations That Qualify To Receive Deductible Contributions. You can deduct your contributions only if you make them to a qualified
    organization. To become a qualified organization, most organizations other than churches and governments, as described below, must apply to the IRS. In the IRS’ own words a church “is automatically tax-deductible.”

    1. I posted two very polite comments that did disagree with most of the others. I think they were removed. That would be disappointing coming from here if I’m right. I grew up in the church, love the church and have strong feelings about the changes in the church. It has become like a club I don’t feel welcome in anymore. Please let me know if I will be allowed to post in the future. Thank you. ann.

  31. THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES- RELIGIOUS FREEDOM ISSUES
    AMENDMENT I
    Congress shall make NO law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for redress of grievances.
    also…US CODE: Title 42, Chapter 21-B-Religious Freedom Restoration.
    IRS law states churches automatically have exempt status anyway….
    I think the Rev. Lynn may not have a clue what he is blustering about….

    1. You can tell the leftists that the sky is blue and grass is green and if they say that both are ‘red’, then both are red. It doesn’t matter to them what the ‘truth’ is, they have been able to change the meaning of things so much over the last 100 years, they think it is their right to do that at will. The constitution clearly has no reference to separation of church and state, yet the Supreme Court rules as if it does. You can’t counsel demons.

  32. You will note that this letter was ‘not’ sent out to the thousands of tax-exempt organizations that support leftist causes, are extremely political and are not churches ( I would not be surprised to find out they skipped churches they knew leaned towards Obama).

  33. I am a Christian who worships in a “home” based congregation. For one of these very reasons! Churches were already tax exempt under the Constitution yet, churches brought this on themselves by accepting 501C3 status; they got in bed with the gov’t! Now the gov’t has the right to tell them what to do! Wait til they tell them they have to allow gay marriages and other issues the church has always been opposed to! For all those separation of church and state people, those laws were instituted to keep the state out of church affairs, not to keep the church out of state affairs!

  34. 501(c)(3) Churches: Caesar Got Your Tongue, by exministries Part II

    The church in America today is, by and large, not speaking to the vital issues of the day. The church has been effectively silenced. The inevitable result is a moral downward spiral in the culture as the church stands mute. This did not happen by accident, but by design.

    According to the IRS, 501c3 Christian churches, ministries, and organizations may NOT do the following: (editors notes: Some of these are not listed specifically by direction but if you act upon any of the 56 listed you will come under severe scrutiny)
    1. Expose conspiracies.
    2. Criticize the New World Order
    3. Say or publish anything negative about ANY politician, Republican or Democrat.
    4. Criticize government agencies and bureaus – the IRS, FBI, BATF, CIA, EPA, DEA, OSHA, DOJ, etc.

    5. Criticize an institution of government such as the White House, the Congress, the Federal Reserve Board (even though this is a PRIVATE corporation) or the Supreme Court.
    6. Encourage citizens to call or write their congressman, senator, governor, mayor, or other public official.
    7. Criticize any proposed or pending bill or legislation that would take away the rights and freedoms of the people
    8. Make disparaging remarks about, or criticize, any other faith group, cult, or religion.
    9. Expose or criticize the New Age Movement.
    10. Support or encourage a law-abiding citizen’s militia (even though this is constitutional)……blah! blah! blah! blah!…….yes [56] of them……etc!!!!

  35. Seems like your the only one who gets it—–Rachel Nolan—absolutely right on target!!!…..they have managed to FOOL generations to generation on our nation being founded under God. When in fact, many of the so-call founding “Father’s” were (Freemasonry’s). Masons are running the white house. There had been a slim light in where a victory was assure if {God’s} people would have humble themselves and call upon the name which is ABOVE all name {Jesus}. But these leaders were over power by greed and their wickedness in high places, in the pulpits, in positions of leadership in the church, and in the pews”deceiving” the multitude by the truck loads str8 to hell.

    Their self-empowering egotistic demonic “REASONING” notion has send many to HELL……But don’t take my word for it. I encourage you to continue reading your Bible and do some home work on the matter. And our {God} will reveal His truths to you.

    It all starts from the “leaders” if they are ****CORRUPT**** guess what? yes, your right again “RN. It trickles down to every segment of what is left of our *American* society. As we are witnessing right before our eyes. And that is the DANGER!!!!

    The devil has been having a field day with the way things have been from generation to generation. But he is about to get a “BEAT-DOWN.” by thee host of Angels and our {Gods} army marching towards the devil and his side-kicks.

    Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you….[Philippians 3:15]

  36. The Bill of Rights (the first ten amendments to the Constitution) is there to protect the citizens of the United States from their government. Churches do not need any kind of “permission” from the government as to what they can preach, nor can the government decide the content of the message. The 1st amendment guaranteeing freedom of religion and freedom of speech trumps any kind of government regulation.

  37. Due to one of Satan’s attacks, I missed going to church last Sunday. Now, my roommate whom is also a Christian, is in the hospital with the Shingles. I hope that you fine people would lift my Bro Matt up in Prayer. As he, being a DAV cannot really afford this. And, on other “blogs” I’m on, Satan has been working overtime in attacking us. Within a five day span, four of us lost our Mothers, mine too, and other attacks on family are currently happening. As I said on Facebook, the enemy, he forgot something. I know how to read. In the end WE WIN. So I give my prayers to all those who need them. No matter what they be.

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